Over the course of the full hour, Bobulinski came across as credible and, most importantly, brought e-mails, texts, and a recording of Biden family confidante Bob Walker pleading with him not to go public. (Videos forthcoming)
Before we get to ten moments the liberal media don’t want you to see (and won’t show you), Carlson led-in to the interview by noting Bobulinski’s enormous wealth so he hasn’t done this for any financial windfall.
Rather, he’s fighting back “to clear his family’s name of” being called “an agent of Russian disinformation” by Biden, his circle, and the news media. Carlson added:
The rest of the national media has suppressed his story. Reporters have ignored — intentionally ignored and, in many cases, dishonestly distorted scores of documents proving that Bobulinski’s account is true. Never in American history have more power centers aligned to kill a legitimate story in the days before an election. That’s what’s happening right now. If you’re looking for a real threat to our democracy, an actual threat, you’re watching it unfold.
And after it aired, Carlson concluded: “[H]ere is a man the Biden family approached to run their business in China. He did what they asked him to do. He met with the former Vice President Joe Biden twice to discuss business in China and when it emerged that this happened, they attacked him as an agent of Russia.”
So, without any further adieu, here were ten moments from the interview, grouped by topic.
1. Biden Associate Pleads With Bobulinski; You’ll ‘Bury All of Us’
At the show’s 30-minute mark, Carlson noted how Bobulinski had asked Biden and his allies to retract their accusations of him being a Russian hand. When Carlson asked what he said, Bobulinski replied that “Rob was under a tremendous amount of stress” and said he would make some calls (including to Hunter Biden’s lawyer).
“But he sort of presented it as if that’s going to be impossible for me to get done and I’m not naive; I know that’s not impossible to do,” Bobulinski added.
Before the clip, Bobulinski made clear that he’s not concocting these communications and he’s been “shocked that not only the media is not only discussing this, they’re going to the other extreme, they’re dismissing it as Russian disinformation” (click “expand”):
CARLSON: The Biden family knew that you were going public with this. And you spoke to Rob Walker about it – again, the self-described Biden family representative – and Biden family, meaning Joe Biden as well – what was his response when you let him know that you were going public with this?
BOBULINSKI: Trying to coach me. [LAUGHTER] Trying to sort of say, hey, we don’t want to do that, we don’t want press trucks out in front of our house. I’m going to have to move, I could lose my job, and all of that – you know, I’m not trying to cause harm to anyone in this situation –
BOBULINSKI: — let alone Rob Walker and his family, James Gilliar and his family. But basically, Rob’s position was, if you go on record with all these facts, you’ll bury all of us.
BOBULINSKI: If he doesn’t come out on record, I am providing the facts.
WALKER: Tony. You’re just gonna bury all of us man.
2. Bobulinski: Joe’s Brother Credits ‘Plausible Deniability’
Bobulinski explained that, while speaking with Joe Biden’s brother Jim at the 2017 Milken Conference, he wondered how they could be “taking political risk or headline risk” to engage in such unseemly business dealings.
When Bobulinski asked, he told Carlson that Jim “looked at me and he laughed a little bit and said, ‘plausible deniability.’”
[H]e said it directly to me one on one in a cabana at the Peninsula Hotel…With me asking out of concern, ‘how are you guys doing this. Aren’t you concerned that you’re going to put your brother’s future presidential campaign at risk — the Chinese — the stuff that you guys have been doing already in 2015 and 2016 around the world?’ And I just can almost picture his face, where he sort of chuckles and says, you know, “plausible deniability.”
3. ‘I Think Joe Biden and His Family Are Compromised’ by the Chinese
As part of their business negations with the Chinese state energy company CEFC, Bobulinski noted that he was “insignificant and irrelevant in this discussion” in the eyes of the Chinese because the real players were “the Biden family, who’s obviously led and operated by Joe Biden.”
In fact, he said two CEFC executives “reference[d] loaning $5 million to the BD family” (as in the Biden family) and that they could trust them to be loyal.
Carlson took this part of the story to ask whether a possible President Biden would be compromised (click “expand”):
CARLSON: What are the implications of this going forward if Joe Biden is elected president, which could very well happen. How does this constrain his ability to deal with China?
BOBULINSKI: Are you asking for my personal opinion?
CARLSON: Your opinion is someone who has worked with the Chinese.
BOBULINSKI: So, I think Joe Biden and the Biden family are compromised. Obviously I’ve referenced that held a Q clearance. You’re briefed on compromise and, you know, who you’re able to talk with and deal and do business with and I just don’t see. given the history here and the facts. how Joe can’t be influenced in — in some manner based on the history that they have where — here with CEFC and stuff like that. So as a citizen and an American taxpayer, I’m very, very concerned.
CARLSON: It seems at this point there is so much documentation and, again, we have your documents, the ones that you retained the texts, the emails, and the legal documents but presumably, there are many others because there were a lot of other people involved in this. Is it possible that this stuff just disappears and nobody covers it for the next four years if Biden’s elected? It seems like there’s a lot of evidence out there.
BOBULINSKI: I think the American people should be demanding that this is investigated and I don’t know what the right party to do that. Is that the DOJ? Is that the FBI? Is that Congress? Is that the Senate? But there — there absolutely should be no scenario that this is an investigated…I would expect that other parties have probably destroyed or gotten rid of information. I didn’t. I have every email, every text, every WhatsApp that was exchanged and I’ve provided that to the authorities and here I am discussing it.
4. This Was Never Just About Hunter Biden
Carlson began the interview with how the business relationship started through British businessman James Gillard, who told him Christmas Eve 2015: “There will be a deal between one of the most prominent families from the [U.S.] and them, constructed by me.”
Both Carlson and Bobulinski emphasized that the text didn’t allude to wanting a deal with Hunter or Jim Biden, but rather the family writ large.
“It was never about Hunter Biden or Jim Biden. It was about the family name, the Biden legacy,” Bobulinski explained, to which Carlson realized was while Biden was still in office.
Things accelerated to May 2017 when Bobulinski joined the team and met both Hunter and Walker “multiple times at the Chateau Marmont…and the discussion was they wanted me to sit down with their father, just to meet him and, at a high level, discuss the Biden family and how they approach things.”
5. ‘They Carved Out a Piece of His Schedule for You’
Bobulinski recalled how the meeting was set up in May 2017 on the sidelines of the elite Milken Conference in Los Angeles, so both Hunter and Jim Biden “had a light discussion where they briefed me” that Joe “won’t go into too much detail on the business front, but we’ll just spend time talking at a high level about you, your background, [and] the Biden family.”
Carlson noted that Biden’s “an older man” with “work to do” in speaking at this conference (on his efforts to help defeat cancer), but his brother and son still “carved out a piece of his schedule for you to meet with him.”
Before diving into the first of two meetings with Joe, Bobulinski posed a question to viewers (click “expand”):
[A]s you can imagine, I’ve been asked by a hundred people the last month you know, why would you be meeting with Joe Biden, and I sort of turn the question around to the people that asked me, why at 10:38 on the night of May 2nd would Joe Biden take time out of his schedule to sit down with me in a dark bar at The Beverly Hilton, sort of positioned behind a column so people couldn’t see us, to have a discussion about his family and my family and business at a very high level where Jim Biden sat and Hunter Biden participated in?
I’m irrelevant in this story. They weren’t raising money for me. There was no other reason for me to be in that bar meeting Joe Biden than to discuss what I was doing with his family’s name and the Chinese CEFC.
6. Bobulinski’s First Meeting with Joe Biden
Delving into the first Biden meeting, Bobulinski said Hunter introduced him as “the individual I told you about that’s helping us with the business that we’re working on and the Chinese.”
Bobulinski said it was “crystal clear” to him by then that Joe had been briefed about his possible role as what Carlson would refer to him as “the actual business guy here who had management experience, deal experience.”
But as for the conversation, they talked about their families, military service in their families, and “personal tragedies” and not business as way of what Carlson called “vetting” Bobulinski seeing as how Hunter had claimed his family’s “legacy” was “on the line” with the CEFC deal.
7. Joe Tells Bobulinski to ‘Keep an Eye on’ His Brother and Son
Bobulinski had his second meeting with the former Vice President after his speech at Milken and, during that exchange, Joe asked him “to keep an eye on his son and his brother.”
In this portion of the interview, Bobulinski emphasized how he’s telling the truth and hit back at some of the worst smears leveled against him (click “expand”):
CARLSON: Tell me about the conversation that you had with Joe Biden. What did — what did he say to you?
BOBULINSKI: You mean the morning after he spoke?
CARLSON: That’s right.
BOBULINSKI: It just — it was — there was 10 people running around getting him something to drink. And we were backstage in a cramped space. And he asked me to walk with him out to the car and he just asked, you know, how I did and what I thought of his speech. And I thought he did a great job on the speech. And obviously cancer is a very serious thing that we should all be working together to solve. I just lost a sister-in-law within the last two weeks, sadly, to cancer. And then he just sort of asked me to keep an eye on his son and his brother.
CARLSON: What — what do you think he meant by that?
BOBULINSKI: I think he was conscious of things. And you know, I can’t speak for him —
BOBULINSKI: Maybe — I would love for him to go on record. You know, as I referenced earlier, I’m only sitting here because they have not — not only have they not gone on record, they’ve denied it and they’ve tarred my family name and a long history of serving this country — and have other congressmen out talking about Russian disinformation. I held a top secret clearance from the NSA and the DOE. I served this country for four years in one of the most elite environments in the world, Naval Nuclear Power Training Command. And to have a congressman out there speaking about Russian disinformation or Joe Biden at a — at a public debate referencing Russian disinformation, when he knows he sat face-to-face with me, that I was — traveled around the world with his son and his brother, to say that and associate that with my name is absolutely disgusting to me.
8. ‘10 Percent for the Big Guy, Held by H’
In a text message confirmed by Fox News’s Sam Dorman (a former MRC Business writer) and Mike Emanuel, a text from Gillar divvied up the shares of the CEFC deal, including “10 held by H for the big guy” with H being Hunter and “the big guy” being the former veep.
Here was that full exchange between Carlson and Bobulinski (including what he would say to the liberal media) (click “expand”)
CARLSON: You’ve seen a number of journalists, reporters covering this story, including some who should know better, declare triumphantly that no document you’ve released connects the former vice president to this deal. How do you react to that? What’s answer to it?
BOBULINSKI: So, you can imagine what I’ve been through over the last couple months and knowing all this to be fact and watching Joe Biden and his family and their lawyers trot around the world stating that there was no involvement, or even at the debate Joe Biden referenced that, you’ve seen my tax returns, and there’s no money from foreign enterprise and that. I want to simplify this for the American people as much as I can. On May 13th, that email was sent from James Gilliar to me. I didn’t generate that email. James Gilliar generated that email. And in that email, James Gilliar goes through intimate detail of what each individual’s requests were from a compensation perspective and how the equity in the enterprise would be divvied up. Very important — May 13th, that e-mail was generated by somebody else to me. In that e-mail, there’s a statement where they go through the equity; Jim Biden’s referenced as you know 10 percent, doesn’t say Biden it says Jim. And then it has 10 percent for the big guy held by H. I one thousand percent sit here and know that the big guy is referencing Joe Biden. That’s crystal clear to me because I lived it. I met with the former vice president in person multiple times, and I had been meeting and talking with Hunter Biden and Jim Biden and Rob Walker and James Gilliar. What the media’s tried to hide and I personally feel it’s disgusting, is between that May13th email and the final document that was executed called Oneida Holdings, LLC. In Oneida Holdings, LLC, the equity is broken up 20 percent Hunter Biden, 20 percent Jim Biden. There are LLCs that represented them.
BOBULINSKI: Twenty percent James Gilliar; 20 percent Rob Walker and 20 percent me and my investment entity. What I’d ask the American people to read and look at is how from May 13th to the final Oneida document that got executed, did Jim Biden go from a 10 percent owner to a 20 percent owner? That’s not my question to answer. I’m sure there were discussions within the Biden family. I wasn’t privy to that discussion. But this is Jim Biden, the brother of the potential future president of the United States. It’s not a distant cousin. It’s not an employee; it’s his brother, who in documents defines himself as a political advisor to his brother. And so, I’ll leave that to the American people to answer that. But I don’t understand how the American journalist is allowing that gap to be even talked about and defined.
CARLSON: So — and I should say — and I want to put the document on the screen — in his pitch to the Chinese, in his bio, Jim Biden describes himself as an advisor, current advisor to his brother. So was it clear to you from the beginning that what Jim Biden was bringing to this deal was his relationship with Joe Biden?
BOBULINSKI: Yeah, one thousand percent, crystal clear.
9. ‘There’s Two Chairman in This Story’
Carlson also went hard after the press in the section of the interview that discussed Hunter Biden referring to “my Chairman” in a text message expressing opposition to Bobulinski’s calls to further flesh out and detail their arrangement. The FNC host said reporters have tried “to bat away your story” by suggesting “Chairman” exclusively pertained to the Chinese government.
As he did throughout the interview when challenged, Bobulinski set the record straight as there were “two chairmen” with one being CEFC Chairman Ye Jianming and the other Joe Biden (click “expand”):
CARLSON: So I want to put up on the screen, here is a text message you received from Hunter Biden, to you: “Hey TONY I have an idea. In light of the fact that we are at an impasse of sorts and both James’ lawyers and my Chairman gave an emphatic NO- I think we should all meet in Romania on Tuesday next week.” And so you’re hearing reporters say, that chairman was in fact the Chinese government. Here you have Rob Walker responding to you – clearly there’s some confusion over this and he’s saying – I’ll put this on the screen now. When he said – when Hunter Biden said his chairman, he was talking about his dad.
BOBULINSKI: Correct. There’s two chairman in this story. There’s Chairman Ye, who’s the chairman of CEFC and that text from Hunter Biden, he was not talking about the chairman of CEFC and what Hunter’s referencing there is he spoke with his father and his father is giving an emphatic no to the ask which I had, which was putting proper governance in place around Oneida Holdings.
CARLSON: So Joe Biden is vetoing your plan for putting stricter governance in the company. I mean, and — and it’s right here in the email.
BOBULINSKI: Yeah, Tucker want to be very careful in front of the American people. That is not me writing that. That is not me claiming that. That is Hunter Biden writing on his own phone typing in that I spoke with my chairman, referencing his father. If the world thinks that that “my chairman,” not his father, than hunter Biden would come forward and go on record and state to the world, “my —
CARLSON: But you have the Biden family’s representative Rob walker saying right here, May 19: “No. When he said his chairman, he was talking about his dad.”
10. ‘The Only Qualification They Had Was the Biden Name’
For the tenth and final exchange the liberal media won’t give serious light of day to, we end with Hunter and his less-than-accomplished professional life.
To the surprise of almost no one reading NewsBusters, Bobulinski concurred with the consensus Hunter himself copped to during an October 2019 interview with ABC’s Amy Robach, which was he has no business resume besides his father’s name (click “expand”):
CARLSON: [G]ive us a sense of some of the places where you had conversations with [Hunter Biden] and over what time frame.
BOBULINSKI: So, obviously, as we already discussed throughout 2015 and 2016 while Joe was still the sitting vice president of the United States. These guys had been doing extensive work around the world in places like Oman, Luxembourg, Romania, that I was being made aware of, but I obviously hadn’t come off the bench and agreed to be part of this.
CARLSON: I’m sorry, I’ve got to interrupt you there. Oman, Luxembourg, Romania.
CARLSON: So they don’t speak any of these languages, neither one of these guys has any record of success in business, neither one has a background in international business. Why would they be doing business in Oman, Luxembourg, and Romania, and Kazakhstan?
BOBULINSKI: Oh, because — because they have relationships and they have the Biden name that they’re able to set up meetings and get people to jump through hoops in an interest to garner favor with the sitting Vice President Joe Biden.
CARLSON: Hunter Biden and Jim Biden have a well-documented decades long record of business disasters. Did you get any sense that either one of these guys was qualified to be conducting this kind of business?
BOBULINSKI: The only qualification they had was the Biden name.
CARLSON: But they seem to have parlayed that into quite a few deals in quite a few countries.
CARLSON: You’re a legitimate business man who’s done deals in a lot of different countries. So, I just want you to assess once more, is there anything about Hunter Biden’s personal experience, personal qualifications that would justify him doing a deal in Kazakhstan?
BOBULINSKI: Absolutely nothing. The only thing that he had was the Biden family name, and the fact that his father at one point obviously was the sitting vice president and potentially would run as a future president.
CARLSON: It sounds like a remarkably ambitious international business program they had running – he and his uncle.
BOBULINSKI: Extensive, extensive.
So, there you have it. For those that want even more on the interview, feel free to click here to read the relevant transcript (as a PDF).